Author Topic: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!  (Read 1438 times)

Offline bluemoon

New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« on: February 21, 2011, 01:04:56 PM »
Just got a swatch of the new mesh from Murakami. Can't find any info online yet . . .

Called LX (if I got that right) and is not woven, but pressed or fused or who knows what. It supposedly has no knuckles where the strands cross. I can see some with the scope, but my guess is they are pretty negligible.
My supplier has it in three counts, 80, 100 something and 180. I am told that 180 should hold the detail like 230 and lay down ink like 150. Test screen should be here in the next day or two  . . .

pierre

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Offline 3Deep

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 01:15:42 PM »
No knuclkes on the mesh should result in a smoother lay down of emulsion which should help with a nice layer of ink on the shirt..now I,m I correct on this?

Darryl
I live for the smell of ink in the morning!

Offline Homer

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 01:57:58 PM »
how the hell you getting hooked up with all this fun stuff? sounds 'spensive. . .


Offline mk162

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 02:00:23 PM »
no crap, here's a question, if it is fused together, does that make a weak point there?  I would be worried that it wouldn't tension really well without breaking.

Offline bluemoon

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 02:00:58 PM »
No knuclkes on the mesh should result in a smoother lay down of emulsion which should help with a nice layer of ink on the shirt..now I,m I correct on this?

Darryl

Hey Darryl,

what they are telling me sounds like snake's oil! More ink, better detail, lower pressure, blah, blah , blah. But they are the manufacturers of the S mesh and that was pretty good. The LX, from what I am hearing, is supposed to raise the bar more than S mesh did!

I have a piece of 80 here. THe threads are half the thickness of the regular 110 and the open area looks like it is about double. My guess would be at least 85%, which is absolutely incredible. 80S is listed as 60%, this is waaaay, more than that. It is also very thin. Piece of 80 in my hand (not stretched) is thinner than 110 and 160. Possibly as thin as a 200 or even 230!

pierre

Offline bluemoon

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 02:04:50 PM »
how the hell you getting hooked up with all this fun stuff? sounds 'spensive. . .

Hey Homer,

my supplier (Multicraft) just happens to have pretty decent relationship with Murakami. They stretch screens for many shops in this region so I guess Murakami just wants them to use their stuff.
Since I am always playing and testing products, my sales rep  mentioned it.

They have the bolts of stuff and will make me a screen tomorrow. My guess is that's about $5 more per screen then regular stuff. It could be more, but don't know yet.

pierre

Offline bluemoon

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 02:10:33 PM »
no crap, here's a question, if it is fused together, does that make a weak point there?  I would be worried that it wouldn't tension really well without breaking.

looking at it under microscope, the joints seem very solid. I would imagine that even if one of them fails, because everything around it is fused, it should not make much of a difference. Time will tell  . . .

pierre

Offline inkman996

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 02:23:09 PM »
A no knuckle mesh will probably have a lot less haze to deal with. Ever look at a haze under a scope and you will see that the majority of ink build up is in them knuckles. But then again it may be negligible.
"No man is an island"


Offline bndlstif

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 03:44:01 PM »
Sounds neat. If it works like it seems like it should the price increase would be negligible.
I'm delighted to hear that at least one company is making advances in our industry. Now
to hit them up for some samples.

Offline ZooCity

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 05:15:43 PM »
Oh snap, I want some.

Knuckle-less mesh + cap film could very well equal pure stencil glory. 

I agree bndl, it's about effing time some genuine advancements were made in this industry. 
Even though I'm broke I got a six pack of beer.
-III

Offline bndlstif

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 05:19:35 PM »
The only places I can really think of for advancement are inks and chemistry (emulsions, cleaners, a true one step would be nice),
mesh and squeegees. Is a piece of rubber really the best thing to slice ink off through a stencil?

Offline Ross_S

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 07:36:26 PM »
Pierre;

Sounds like your making your life more complicated.  What are you looking to accomplish with this mesh that the S mesh isn't providing?

Offline bluemoon

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 10:19:38 PM »
Pierre;

Sounds like your making your life more complicated.  What are you looking to accomplish with this mesh that the S mesh isn't providing?

not trying to accomplish anything, buy willing to try and see if it offers something useful. Thus only one screen right now . . .

pierre

Offline alan802

Re: New Murakami Knuckless mesh!
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 01:28:10 PM »
I'm very interested in this new mesh.  Over the years, I've noticed how things that seamingly would not make much of a difference, are actually huge in some cases.  The difference in the s thread mesh compared to regular is unbelievable, the ease of printing is dramatically increased.  I could really see how manual shops could benefit the most with s thread.  Using the very least amount of squeegee pressure is my main goal when setting up a job, the s thread allows me to go really low and get the ink to sit on the shirt, instead of in it.
Was that a fart?


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