Author Topic: Shur-loc EZ Frame System  (Read 3792 times)

Offline alan802

Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« on: October 15, 2009, 09:36:10 PM »
I got 10 new screens today, along with the ez frame stretcher. Took a little over an hour to put them together and put the mesh in the screens. The 110's were at 38N, 123-36N, 137-38N, 156-40N, 175-35N. I can't wait to get these into production, should be sometime tomorrow afternoon if I get them coated early enough tomorrow. I'm going to buy 5-10/month until my inventory gets sufficient. These will go along well with the 50 rollers I have. Now I have to go through the 80 or so aluminum screens and cull the ones that aren't tight enough, probably about 50-60 of them. I don't want to print through another screen that is 10 newtons ever again. Here are some pics.
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr211/alan802/EZFrameSystem.jpg
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr211/alan802/ezscreens.jpg
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr211/alan802/Tensionmeter.jpg


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Offline tpitman

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 04:38:05 AM »
After you've had them awhile, give us an update on how they're holding up tension-wise. As I understand it you can retension them one time. After retensioning, I'd like to hear (and I'd assume others would too) how tight they're staying. You're the first poster I've seen who bought the system.
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Offline SkyLinePrints

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 05:58:02 AM »
thanks for the pics! i'm also looking forward to a review after some use.
Have a great day! :)

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Offline alan802

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 08:14:55 AM »
I'll keep everyone updated. I rechecked the tensions this morning and it looks like they have all settled in about 2 newtons less than they were right after I stretched them, except for the 175, it didn't lose anything overnight. After using statics that were anywhere from 9-20 newtons, this will be a big change.

Offline socalfmf

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 08:39:29 AM »
Man, you are not going to know what to do...your prints are going to be softer (you will be laying the ink on the shirt not in the shirt) and you will not believe the quality increase (tighter screens better registration) and you will print faster (cause you are sheering the ink not pushing the mesh down the imprint)....welcome to a whole new world of printing...

keep us up dated on your progress...

I would like to hear how much better your prints are than your prints were with a 10 newton screen...

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Offline mk162

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 09:14:39 AM »
let us know how those smiling jacks are working as well.

Offline dave58

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 09:18:16 AM »
Just a thought here....

I buy the static aluminum....they are OK when new...but gradually get worse....

So I was thinking....if i understand this correctly....yours can be restrtched one more time?.....even if they aren't they gotta be way better than static aluminum or wood right?

Anyone ever thought of making these and selling them to guys like me? ;D

Or maybe there is already a service that does and I don't know about it.

Really....everyone wants to work with tight screens....but if we don't buy the set up....we are just using static frames.

I am using a manual....but still...I am sure it would make a big difference.
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Offline catnhat

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 10:27:36 AM »
We have the EZ Frame system. Got it last December. 40 frames, been in rotation for about 10 months. Reclaiming at least once if not twice a week.
Chameleon press, avg. run about 100+ pcs. 3 color.
Didn't get the retensioning bars. Wanted to run them awhile and see how they held up first.

We did have a problem with the corner pieces being a little flimsy on the very first batch we ordered and a frame broke. But a call to ShurLoc and they shipped out new parts and re-designed the corners and beefed them up. No problems since. And they work great with a TriLoc.

Pic is a 230 mesh panel, been in rotation since early January. Holding steady at 33N.
 
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Offline preston

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 11:10:12 AM »
We have the EZ Frame system. Got it last December. 40 frames, been in rotation for about 10 months. Reclaiming at least once if not twice a week.
Chameleon press, avg. run about 100+ pcs. 3 color.
Didn't get the retensioning bars. Wanted to run them awhile and see how they held up first.

We did have a problem with the corner pieces being a little flimsy on the very first batch we ordered and a frame broke. But a call to ShurLoc and they shipped out new parts and re-designed the corners and beefed them up. No problems since. And they work great with a TriLoc.

Pic is a 230 mesh panel, been in rotation since early January. Holding steady at 33N.
 


They seem pricey as in I can just about buy a static for the cost of just the mesh but if they hold tension then it may be worth it. I looks like 1 frame and mesh will initially cost as much as 3 static frames and I just do not like roller frames at all so this may be an option. How much water do they hold in all those little slots and stuff? Or do the dry out good like a static frame does.

Offline alan802

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 11:43:08 AM »
I bought one of these about a year ago just to test them out and it was at 30 newtons when I bought it at a show in Ft. Worth. It is 29N after a year of use. It's been reclaimed and used at least once a week. I don't think I'll ever retention them anytime soon, at least a year, maybe two or more. I got them for about $20-25 less than a newman roller with the same mesh so I thought why not. I love using the statics because of our registration system but the ones we have bought over the years have not been tight enough.

I was promised 25N static screens from a supplier and they came in at 15-17 so I sent them back and went ahead with these EZ's. I know they are not as good as the newman's, but I give up some control but I gain a lot of the little things that I like about the statics and great tension. I know a lot of printers wouldn't print with anything under 30-35N but I've found that I can do anything I want with anything around the 20-25 range. Also, if I can't get a quality print from a screen above 25N then I need to find a new career.

What are your opinions on tension levels, where do you draw the line and what do you believe is the right range for the various mesh counts?

Offline catnhat

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 12:40:46 PM »
They are kinda pricey and that was a big concern with the Boss. But he was already sold on the ShurLoc panels we'd switched to with our MZX frames. None of us could ever get the corner softening down on the higher mesh counts when buying mesh by the bolt. And the time savings on restretching the panels vs. cutting and stretching and dealing with locking strips on the MZX frames is what sold him then.

The frames being square vs. a roller was also a big plus. You can drop them in any press, back clamp or side or even jiffy clamps and don't have to deal with frame adapters or anything.

Remeshing was a no brainer (for us) vs. static. There's nobody close to us that re-meshes. So if we do pop a screen, it can be ready to go again in a matter of minutes. Or worst case, the next day if there's no extra panels left and we need to order some. No pulling the frame out of rotation until you get enough ripped to justify shipping them somewhere to get remeshed. Or, no dealing with glue & activator and cleaning mesh & gunk off of statics to get them ready to remesh.

The stretcher, less than $500 vs. $1000+ for a good stretching table. And it can be mounted to any flat table. And it mounts with 2 wing nut screws, so it can be pulled and put out of the way except for when you need it. Downside...you pretty much have to have the stretcher.

Haven't had a problem with any water in the grooves or anything. But that could just be we adapted our washing/rinsing and never really thought about it. We let the screens sit at an angle for a minute to let the water run off before they go into the racks.

The added benefits of retensionable frames are really only benefits IF you retension them when they loose tension. For us, we found that we weren't really utilizing the benefits with the MZX's. Frames got completely remeshed more than they got retensioned because of pops, rips, the time available, etc.
Or a loose mesh frame wouldn't get pulled from rotation, or it would get dropped back into rotation before it got retensioned. We do track how/when/who pops screens and stuff, and we found out the Boss pops 3 to 1 compared to the rest of us. So every time he comes out of the office to "help", we remind him how much it's going to cost him. Then he usually buys us lunch because it's cheaper.

For us, they just made sense. We had to start from scratch because we'd lost everything in the fire.
We needed something that could be ready to go in the shortest amount of time possible. (Christmas was coming and we had jobs to get out, or be out of business for good. Which just wasn't an option) Adaptable to just about any style of press because we weren't sure what kind of press we'd be getting. And for 3 months we were using loaned equipment that wasn't near the same quality as what we lost. (waiting for insurance crap to be settled)
They had to be able to go on a manual or auto to fit the plans for the business.
And ShurLoc is right over the mountains from us (easy 3 hr drive) so everything is pretty much overnight.

Initial costs aside, are they right for everybody? Probably not. But they were sure right for us. And Shur Loc has been great with any support/questions/etc.


Offline invisible

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 02:47:45 PM »
We have the EZ Frame system. Got it last December. 40 frames, been in rotation for about 10 months. Reclaiming at least once if not twice a week.
Chameleon press, avg. run about 100+ pcs. 3 color.
Didn't get the retensioning bars. Wanted to run them awhile and see how they held up first.

We did have a problem with the corner pieces being a little flimsy on the very first batch we ordered and a frame broke. But a call to ShurLoc and they shipped out new parts and re-designed the corners and beefed them up. No problems since. And they work great with a TriLoc.

Pic is a 230 mesh panel, been in rotation since early January. Holding steady at 33N.
 

I had the same problem with the first batch. They switch styles and didn't quite have everything ironed out. They had to switch to stronger bolts. I like them, you are suppose to be able to tension them twice, but you never will need too. These are great.

Offline tpitman

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 03:19:09 PM »
Pic is a 230 mesh panel, been in rotation since early January. Holding steady at 33N.
 


That's pretty impressive. I would have thought that they'd have lost more tension than that from only the intitial stretching.

Offline Donnie

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 10:41:04 PM »
I do a lot of stock designs most of which are 6 colors. I pull them and print them as I need them. Retens have been out of the equation for me because of their cost. Reclaming and reshooting every design is not feasible. Rollers to me seem to be a bitch to fight with. So, I bought a few Easy frames just to take em for a test drive. I will not print dark fleece without them EVER. What a difference they make. I did one of my stock design on darks the other day. I reshot the underbase on an Easy Frame with 230 mesh and printed the other colors with statics. Worked fanfingtastik. Did not have to pfp the white. The only question I have here is that the mesh sits higher on these frames than statics and I had to fiddle with the off contact. I wound up putting a cardboard shim under the statics to make up the difference. The prob seems to be the plastic protectors. Can you remove these while printing? Are they on there to protect the grooves from the clamps or are they just there to protect the mesh during storage? I called and ask them and I think they were taken off guard by the question. I don't think they envisioned anyone mixing in statics with them. They thought it would be OK to remove them while printing. What do you all do?


Oh and they are heavy bitches.

Offline SBrem

Re: Shur-loc EZ Frame System
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2009, 10:40:57 AM »
I bumped into this place this morning. The panels are considerably less expensive...

http://www.rapidscreenproducts.com/

Steve
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